.saddened.
I am so saddened that two of most well known “Christian” pastors went to a interfaith conference and did not utter the name of Jesus. We are not the same as other religion we do not have the same God, we believe in the Trinitarian God, Yahweh.
When we lose Jesus, we lose everything. There is no Christianity without Jesus. There is no there is no true forgiveness, there is no bearing pain, hurt, or shame without Jesus. There is no life without Jesus. So my question is when are we as Christians going to stand up for the truth, for the real gospel. Not just some social gospel, but Jesus. How long must we play this game of humanism that is disguised as Christianity. When are we going to stand up and say Jesus is the only way. Jesus is the ultimate. He is the ultimate truth and yes there is ultimate truth. To deny this would be to reject the central message of the whole Bible.
The Bible is not about us, we are proud arrogant people that think that God would write a book about us. The Bible is about Jesus, life is only found in Jesus, pleasure is only found in Jesus. So my question is why are we letting these heresies permeate the church. Is it because we are afraid? Or do we believe the lies of the devil that we are the ultimate?
If we lose Jesus then we lose everything. Plain and simple.
So what are you going to do? Sit there and believe this humanist pluralism. Or contend for the gospel, which is Jesus?
We are, I think, reaping what we’ve sown. Jesus, in His Great Commission, said, “Go, therefore, and make disciples..” We, with great eagerness, interpreted this with the imperative on ‘go’, when Jesus placed the imperative on ‘make disciples’. We have placed all the emphasis on ‘getting people saved’, with little or no effort to teach them to obey all that Jesus commanded, to make them into disciples of Jesus. We are now seeing the fruit of those labors.
christiangadfly
April 19, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Regrettably, I’m a fence-sitter on so many of these sticky issues. I see the good; I see the decrepid. Hopefully when I’m in seminary, I’ll finally start thinking for myself completely…haha.
I thought you were a Rob Bell fan…. ?
Rachel
April 20, 2008 at 12:16 am
Rachel its a “both and” situation. I think that we as the church need to be concerned with social justice. However we need to also proclaim the good news of Jesus. We need to be the hands and feet of Jesus and we need to be the voice of Jesus. I think this is the conclusion that we are forced to deal with when we read the Bible.
“I thought you were a Rob Bell fan…. ?”
I was, he has moved away from where he was. Also I have moved away from where I was. Back then I was reacting to my fundamental raising where they didn’t care about helping people. Now I am at a point where I think we need both.
mikevandrie
April 20, 2008 at 7:17 pm
Christian Gadfly…I think that is one of the worst interpretations of history I have ever seen. In fact only in the last 20 or so years has the American church put any emphasis on getting people saved (in this country at least), following the fundamentalist movement of the 1930’s the church by an large fortressed and hid…focusing only on preaching to the saints. What we are seeing now is a reaction to that. Children of Evanglicals and legalist who never reached out at all looking for a different way and losing Jesus.
The answer is not one or the other btw way GF it is both: Those who He called he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his son-Romans 8:29
poopemerges
April 20, 2008 at 8:49 pm
Mike, I think you’re right on the money, we do need both. This whole divide between the so-called liberal social justice and conservative fundamental truths is a failure by both to understand the total scope of what Jesus was about. We have to have both. They balance each other. Take away one or the other and we wind up with distortion, error, and failure. The Church has fought many enemies through the years, but the most difficult enemy we’ve ever faced is ourselves. As the famous line from Pogo goes, “We have met the enemy and they is us.”
christiangadfly
April 20, 2008 at 8:52 pm
Christians are clearly called to be compassionate to the whole person. Jesus came to seek and to save that which was lost (Luke 19:10) He did feed, heal, and he taught. His compassion drove Him to seek and to save the lost, and his compassion ought to drive us to do the same. What Bell and Pagitt displayed at the SOC even was evidence that they believe that living like Jesus is enough, or doing works that imitate His works is enough. We cannot imitate His works perfectly, or with perfect motives, therefore we will always fall short. We need His indwelling power to be driven with the compassion that will help people in all their needs, including the one most pressing- spiritual.
I am reminded of one incident in the Gospels, where the paralytic was lowered with the intent of he and his friends of his Healing. Jesus, however, recognized and addressed the real most pressing need, the Spiritual need. He forgave the mans sins. That bothered a lot of the people gathered there, mainly because they recognized that only God can forgive sins. Jesus used this as an opportunity to reveal Himself as the Son of Man, and the Son of God. We should remember this principle, the principle of ministry to the whole man. And we should do so unashamedly in the name of Jesus.
Pastorboy
May 6, 2008 at 8:02 pm
When I read all the above comments it is indeed a sad day for Christians we cannot compromise. Jesus is the Truth the Way and the Life. There was no other name given in Heaven or on earth through whom we will get saved. Jesus said: I am He. He is the only Truth the only Way apart from him there is no other. We cannot serve God and mammon. Lastly when we meet with people like the Dalai Lama we need to lead him to Christ and testify about Jesus we cannot keep quiet. God said if you do not believe in my Son then you dont believe in me either because we are one. God Bless you all.
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